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Nordstrom Fourth Quarter Earnings Call
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Last Update: 4:32 AM EST February 27 2008


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The retailer of specialty apparel and accessories reported revenue of $2.51 billion, down 4.4% from $2.63 billion in the previous year, on 0.7% decrease in same store sales. During the quarter, SG&A improved 68 basis points compared to last year, primarily due to lower incentive costs, partially offset by increased bad debt expense related to the company''s credit card business. Nordstrom, anticipating a weak first half for fiscal 2008, expects EPS in the range of $2.75 to $2.90.


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- Net interest expense is anticipated to be higher by $55 million to $60 million, due to higher average debt levels.
- Finance charge and other income, is expected to increase $50 million to $60 million.
- The firm’s capital plan for the coming year is approximately $540 million. Net of developer reimbursement, 80%, of which will be spent on new stores, remodels and relocations. The remainder is for technology, maintenance and general purposes.
- Depreciation will be approximately $320 million for the full year.

The firm is targeting earnings before interest and taxes margin of 13.5% to 14% by the end of 2010, which is based on an assumption of low single-digit percent same-store sales increases.

First Quarter Guidance

- For the first quarter, the firm is planning for a decrease 3% to 5% of same-store sales.
- Net earnings for the first quarter are expected to be in the range of 49 cents to 54 cents per diluted share.
- The firm expects an increase in SG&A rates in the quarter, as it supports strategic plans for growth in new stores in its online business.

Key questions and answers from the fourth quarter fiscal 2007 earnings call conducted by Nordstrom Inc. on February 25, 2008.

Christine Augustine (Bear Stearns): Can you talk about the expenses going forward and in particularly, could you describe on the net service charge income? Why do you expect that to be up so much in 2008 with the credit card trends?

Mike Koppel: Going into next year, we''ve had multiple years of improvement in margin and model leverage is well at a low single-digit comp. Going into next year, obviously, we''re seeing about half of the deleverage coming from a lower sales plan, and the other half mostly coming from the impact of new stores and the related pre-opening expenses. In terms of the service charge income, a portion of that growth relates to the one-time expenses related to the change in accounting in 2007, and we''re getting some benefits from that plus in addition a normal growth of the AR.

Christine Augustine (Bear Stearns): Was the one-time charge approximately $20 million?

Mike Koppel: It was roughly $20 to $25 million in finance charge income.

Deborah Weinswig (Citigroup): Women’s has been an area of weakness for you. Is there anything that there specifically where we could also expect to see improvement in the back half of the year?

Pete Nordstrom: We continue to focus down on our targeted customers and making sure that we are delivering some fine products. In second half of 2007, we got ourselves to a position where we got overbought. We had to cancel orders. We did a lot of scrambling and work that didn’t apply itself to selling and getting after the best new product. We believe that we have a good opportunity to improve our situation mostly by both our targeted customer and keeping discipline in place, and not get ourselves overbought. That should help us there.

Deborah Weinswig (Citigroup): The designer wear has been a win for you. Is there anything specifically you will be doing in 2008 and also can you update on your penetration as it ended 2007?

Pete Nordstrom: Designers are growing part of our business and relatively as a subset it continued to grow faster than any category we have and that’s across all merchandize categories. You will see that continue to grow to meet the demands of our target customer base.

Adrianne Shapira (Goldman Sachs): Can you shed some light in the fourth quarter in terms of how much of the gross margin contraction is due to the higher markdowns and deleverage in terms of occupancy and buying? When you talk about 2008, the 30 to 60 basis point of contraction is expected. How much will you expect from occupancy leverage versus merchandize margins?

Mike Koppel: In the fourth quarter, the majority of the deterioration in gross profit was from merchandized margin and primarily due to increased markdowns as we saw continued slowing business trends and we were clearing our inventory. In terms of 2008, it''s a little bit of a different story. We expect overall for the year a somewhat flat performance in gross margin. Most of the deterioration in gross profit is from the additional occupancy costs, partially from the new stores in 2007 from all eight stores in 2008 and the fact that we have a slight amount of deleverage there.

Adrianne Shapira (Goldman Sachs): In the first quarter, what do you expect to see on traffic versus tickets?

Mike Koppel: In terms of a point of view on traffic versus ticket, we don''t have specifics on that. But what the first quarter does reflect is a trend that we continue to see following the month of January and wanting to be prudent in terms of planning our inventories and expenses coming out of the beginning of the year.

Adrianne Shapira (Goldman Sachs): On the bad debt provisions, could you quantify how much that cost you in the quarter?

Mike Koppel: During the quarter, the increase over last year was roughly 4 cents.

Charles Grom (JPMorgan): Could you quantify the impact or the benefit in SG&A from the lower incentive costs, not only in the fourth quarter, but also could you remind what it was in the third quarter?
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